@JIAZ – It’s an OK pistol. Everyone has to fill out a 4473, cpl holder or not, the 3 day minimum NICS delay because my name is similar to someone with a record is my issue. They’ve had recreational MJ longer than Michigan. You go ahead and ask ‘Uncle May I’ for what’s supposed to be your birthright anyway. Failing to disclose is a serious matter. And buy gold or silver with any cash excess. Many Michigan gun shops ran the NICS check anyway, despite the CPL, during this time. This applies specifically to FFL dealers, not to private party sales. We can’t perform a NICS check. ATF Rescinds Michigan CPL Exemption. If It is the reason it is referred to as “HARD”..”COLD” cash. In Michigan, there are certain disqualifications take away a … Many Michigan gun shops ran the NICS check anyway, despite the CPL, … Bunch of f king Criminals, and tjhe GOP is not much better, REFUSING to prosecute these bastards is COMPLICITY. Im on your side. The ATF letter is vague in a lot of respects. How do you know… Read more », @Boomer – The only way they will get on the same page is if federal government grabs more power. @Boomer, Wow, I did not know that all of that was in the Second Amendment. Big Brother speaks. All Michigan FFLs are required to conduct a NICS background check prior to the transfer ofa firearm to a non-licensee, even if that individual possesses a valid, unexpired CPL. @ring, Who was the philosopher that first said, “The LAW is the rich protecting themselves from the poor.”. Excellent example! There are theories that the ATF’s change in position is because MSP hasn’t been doing NICS checks on CPL applicants but there is no evidence supporting that. apparently writing it on the small manila… Read more », My son-in-law considers his SD9VE (his EDC) to be a “great” gun. , Just how the Bakken oil patch was back in the 1970’s. Doesn’t address bigger underlying problems, but would resolve your… Read more », I agree that its a long shot, but take for example what Missouri is trying to do with their legislation to keep federal authorities out of their states 2A business. My Amazon Store: Clicking through my affiliate link before you make your normal Amazon purchases also helps out the channel. Michigan CPL no longer Qualifies as NICS. There is no evidence that the recent recreational statute (MRTMA) is behind the ATF’s reasoning. The statutes also dictate that the forms for application shall be provided by the State Police, and licensing authorities are preempted from deviating in any manner in a separate Act . https://www.michigan.gov/msp/0,4643,7-123-1878_1591_3503_4654—,00.html, Michael L Steinberg Michigan Criminal Defense Attorney, National Instant Criminal Background Check. Michigan has run all CPL holders through NICS since 2005. ATF Rescinds Michigan CPL Exemption. Theres just no way around it unless one is building their own from scratch or some sort of 80% kit which further limit options to the ar platform, glock, p320, or 1911’s. If the government can limit, change, abridge or infringe on our Rights, then they are not Rights, just license from government. What do you mean by it? So, the learning point is this: in a progressive utopia the law is what we say it is whenever we see the need to pronounce the law. If you don’t have your Michigan CPL, you must get a permit to purchase from your local police department prior to taking possession of the pistol. Questions regarding the NICS background check should be directed to the Federal Bureau of Investigation NICS Section at 1-877-FBI-NICS (877-324-6427). rescinded as of the date of this letter because, as explained above, a valid Michigan CPL is no longer a NICS alternative under 18 U.S.C. Part of this confusion is because despite medical and now recreational use of marijuana being legal in Michigan, both uses are still illegal on a federal level. They say: “Misprision of felony is an offence[sic] under the common law of England that is no longer active in many common law countries. Second, a thief calling me selfish and a coward is probably the most comical thing Ive heard today. Worst of all is a false reset just before actual reset – and actual reset is practically imperceptible compared to the false one. Michigan residents are allowed to purchase handguns; Michigan State CPL applicant must have a valid State ID or Driver’s license. 3. She had trained enough to became tired of them, and last Christmas, he gave her his 2-year-old SD9VE and bought himself a new one. But the Memo is about transfers. Michigan CPL-holders who purchase firearms from or through a federally licensed firearms dealer (FFL) should expect to undergo a NICS background check through the FFL, as required by federal law. According to federal law, marijuana is still considered a controlled substance. For more information, visit their website. • Seller FFL Number 4, - Required if the seller is an FFL dealer. I was waiting and hoping you’d realize that the best source for unregistered, untraceable firearms is… the private sale. So why single Michigan out? Instead, it has an 8-year prohibition. 2. Yes that’s their plan, little do they know they will be under fire the day they enter office. The junior officer said that it wasn’t as if he was asking for a case of whiskey, and Old Zack retorted: “Whiskey I could see… but BOOKS”? 8 days on, 7 days off…, First, what do you think I meant by getting state and fed law on the dame page? To qualify for a Michigan CPL, a person must not make any material misrepresentation, or fail to disclose any material fact in their CPL application. This is because the ATF has been inconsistent in its application of standards to states with marijuana laws. I ask my local store to buy a pallet of (pick a caliber), and then I’ll buy several cases of that ammo. Where it was or is active, it is classified as a misdemeanor.” It is a felony in the US, so hardly “no longer active”! Except now it’s fake encyclopedia! Anyone who actually is a “boomer” would probably not even understand what a meme is, however, yes I understand my nickname for being loud, is also a meme. To anyone suggesting getting Axis-Tactical RAM, I’ve got one but it doesn’t fit my sear. What is your point? 3. Ref. Great gun!! Unfortunately I highly doubt we’ll get there and short of outright rebellion the best we can do is stop gap legislative fixes. So I can’t sell a pistol to my buddy with a clp any longer? I agree it’s simple, all gun laws are infringements, however until we stop arguing with each other who’s more pro 2A with asinine quips like yours, nothing will change. Seriously? Also: “Misprision of Felony”! We provide private, individual and group training for home defense, safety, concealment and Michigan certified CPL instruction. So what about cpl holder to clp holder…face to face? You are correct, under current law the seller "MAY" bypass the NICS check and sell you a firearm upon seeing your currant CPL. U.S.A. –-(Ammoland.com)-Last week, Michigan FFLs received a letter from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) notifying them that a Michigan CPL will no longer be exempt from the NICS check when purchasing a firearm. Be a legal resident of Michigan and reside in Michigan for at least six months immediately prior to application. Gun rights are like a lot of other rights: these rights are routinely taken away by the government. However, on that same point, comments like “you’ll wish you had stuck up for us felons” make me real confident that you’d be responsible with a firearm in the first place. And the meme about getting rid of all gun laws is ‘boo – ga – loo”. Hard to judge tone in text. Whitey Bulger. mikeb32 02-16-2014, 12:36 PM State cannot unilaterally exempt you from federal law. Your comments evince an abject failure to grasp what it means to live free. In 2006 Former Attorney General of Michigan, Mike Cox, contacted the ATF to verify that the Michigan CPL was in line with ATF regulations. Thus (without researching it) I’d say that if CPL exempts you from 4473 then it must require you to pass 4473 to get the license. The ATF’s open letter from 2006 reads: “Michigan’s Concealed Pistol … I don’t care for Glocks, but their reset is short and about as obvious as the false reset in an SD9VE. All bow down. Lmao And yes, all of us have to ask, uncle may I, if we wish to acquire guns that don’t come from the black market or 80% form. CPL Requirements. They can set whatever markup on the balance of ammo and make a decent profit. The gun in the picture is my EDC. Cash is untraceable. What you are saying is exactly my point. police officer. Perhaps Michigan can add a gold star on cpl for those qualified under federal law. Had I meant it to be sarcastically asinine, I would have down clicked you, too. • Michigan CPL Number 1, - Required if the purchaser has a valid Michigan CPL. WB. Yes! The only reason its not law already is because when it was first introduced years back their anti governor vetoed it, however now the governor is pro 2A and I believe it still has the votes to… Read more ». The Seller shall complete the Purchaser Information, Pistol Information and Seller Michigan has run all CPL holders through NICS since 2005. Concealed Pistol License (CPL) holders are exempt from … Required fields are marked *. There is also no impact on RI-10 purchase permits. Try to get paid in cash, and then spend cash on untraceable things like groceries or basic materials. There is no LAW that requires them to skip it just as there is no law requiring you to throw away your copy of a pistol sales record if you sell one. I agree states should decide their own laws, or did you miss the part about the fed needs to but out of state matters?! In all honesty,… Read more ». Those who do not hold power, the people, must all bow down low. A. @Jacob – Agree with your first two paragraphs, but then you shifted off to your own selfishness and insults addressed to the rest of us.